Team and partner workouts
Okay this is going to be an absolute beast of a project to tackle so let’s try and break it down into small parts.
Let’s start with a simple partner workout of three rounds of cleans and pushups of 21, 15 and 9 at 60KG for guys and 40KG for girls with scaled weights at 50KG and 30KG.
So there are a couple of ways that I have experienced this type of scenario (and probably some I have forgotten).
Type 1, person A does 21 cleans then 21 pushups and then rests while person B does there 21 cleans and pushups. A then does 15 and so on until done.
Type 2, Indian file, very similar to the above but as soon as person A has finished the cleans person B starts so there is no rest.
Type 3, static holds, person A does cleans and pushups while person B holds a plank/rows/runs whatever and they change over once each round is done.
Type 4, A does 21 cleans and B does 21 pushups then A does 15 cleans and so on until they get to 9 after which they then switch movements so that B now does 21 cleans and A does 21 pushups
Type 5, A does 21 cleans, B does 21 pushups and so on but no changing afterwards.
So how do you enter this all in then?
Easiest way would be that each athlete enters in their own time and nominates whether they were A or B and just records the overall time and weights. This way each result is in each athletes results and their partner has no impact on their performance.
The next step up would be the same as above and they also put down the weights of the other person. This is where things get tricky. How do you then calculate their score if weights are uneven, for example person A needs to scale the weights or it is a mixed pair so both athletes are doing it at the correct weight but might get penalized going against another pair who is the same sex. Also what if one person really carries the pair, they bust out their own rounds in record time giving the other person inflated results. What if one person needs to scale the movement to say hang cleans which you can do faster than either a power of full clean so they get a faster score but only because they scaled to a different movement.
Now this is the really fun part of entering in the results. If both people in the pair are on Kilomodo then they could type in the other person’s name for who was A and B and data could then be draw into the result to see if indeed the paring was being carried or not by giving a weighted score to their results ie. You finished in 16:39 with a weighted time of 18:23. The weighted score would be needed so that RX teams, mixed sex teams, scaled teams and every combinations of each can get a levelled result of how they fared.
To me the last one is the most interesting especially from a coach and competition point of few where you could look over your results with varying partners and see who you did best with for heavy weight WODs vs who you did best with for sprint style WODs so you could plant teams around members who complement each other.
Now this is just the brain dump I can remember about partner WODs, now when this comes to teams it should take it to a whole other level and make things that much more interesting (such as a four person team vs a three person of pairs with all your scaling and different sex mixes thrown in).
AdminKilomodo (Admin, Kilomodo) commented
BW-Merlin, these are some well thought out scenarios and certainly realistic. Complexity is a fine art balanced with simplicity. So let’s break your scenarios into two distinct situations; training & competition.
Training is our primary focus today. Competition is something we’ve got road mapped to tackle some time down the road. Having said that, let’s assume that programming is intended to balance work evenly (with some exceptions) and go from there. First and foremost, the current version of Kilomodo as I write this allows for anyone imputing a score to alter reps, weight, and movements for scaling or modification purposes, independent of what a partner may enter. Which I think addresses some of the concerns of pairing up athletes with different abilities.
Where we know we need to work to get a better representation of scores and performance as we see it is this. Marking workouts as team and allowing for the ability to tag a partner(s). This not only records the workout information for the athlete with whom they partnered with, but it also signifies scores as a representation of a team effort. Something we unfortunately don’t do today but it is a burning concern that we are looking to address sooner rather than later. As for accuracy of work, we encourage workouts intended for teams to be written to represent the work as single individual will undertake. As an example.
For Time: In teams of (2)
10 rope climbs
100 KB Swings
10 rope climbs
Would be written in Kilomodo as:
5 rope climbs
50 KB Swings
5 rope climbs
The finish time would be the total time it takes for the team to complete the workout. Understanding that the score is not an exact representation of the time it may take an athlete to do that work had they individually performed it as it is written in Kilomodo. However, from a metrics perspective it is in fact 100% accurate. That is the work that was accomplish, and it is in fact the duration of time that person spent to do it. Despite the fact that they may be able to do it faster without a partner involved. Which is why tagging is an important feature for us to implement. Primarily for athletes that like to have that information. Coupled with the undesirable artifact that we are dealing with scores that incorrectly reflect fitness level ability. Personally I’m more interested in having my data metrics recorded, than someone mistakenly thinking it took me a long time to do a workout while assuming it was an individual effort.
As for static holds or as I like to call them, penalty movements or minimum resting efforts. These are also on the drawing board. Along with EMOM disruption during For Time or AMRAP style workouts. When we approach the competition style scoring we’ll have many things to consider. Such as if performance is something we want to preserve in conjunction to score. In other words, are folks as interested in accurate performance for metrics in that setting vs. training? When I examine the 1-rep minimum rules and the strategies one team may do over another it creates a landscape of complexity starts to out weight the benefit in my mind. I would be much more inclined to integrate wearable data collection to measure performance in a competition setting. Hint hint…
Lastly, thank you for the feedback that you have been providing. We truly appreciate the thought and time you’ve offered. It’s has a tremendous amount of value and I hope that you continue to challenge us.